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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
To: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
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I'm okay with this.

I still have a preference to make non responsible ADs in the area a MAY rather than a SHOULD ... but I won't lose sleep over it.

Regards,
Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
> Sent: 18 March 2020 21:12
> To: Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com>; Rob Wilton (rwilton)
> <rwilton@cisco.com>
> Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, <ietf-and-github@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Rules regarding ownership of orgs
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 03:30, Salz, Rich wrote:
> > >    Isn't that a split between organizational owner vs admins?
> >
> > I could well be wrong here.  HOWEVER, it seems likely that the WG
> > chair will be creating the organization, and therefore be an owner.
> > There's lots of room for customization and tweaks (GitHub
> > bikeshedding?), and the draft doesn't suggest how to do *everything.*
> > Tools like Martin's, or my scripts, help codify things, but the WG
> > chair still has, rightly so, a great deal of leverage to set up the GH
> > organization as they see fit.  Those things together indicate, to me,
> that they need to own the
> > organization and repo's within it.
> 
> My understanding is that members can create repos (unless you specifically
> disable that).
> 
> But it is also the case that you can't do things like enable CI without
> being an owner. So I'm inclined to more strongly recommend ownership by
> chairs.  Chairs that don't own the org can always ask for support, but I
> see no reason not to have this more decentralized and to give chairs more
> autonomy (that is the practice today and that works well).
> 
> So...
> 
> > GitHub requires that each organization have at least one owner.  The
> owners for a Working Group repository MUST include responsible Area
> Directors and the IETF Secretariat.  Working Group chairs and Area
> Directors in the area SHOULD also be included as owners.  Area Directors
> MAY also designate a delegate that becomes an owner.  An organization MUST
> have at least 2 owners.

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