Re: [Ietf-and-github] Rules regarding ownership of orgs

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:22 AM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
>
> I think it's a mistake to overindex on trying to minimize the power of the secretariat here. Remember that these are just tools we use to develop our drafts and the secretariat *already* controls the tools we use to do our official work (the mailing list, drafts repo, data tracker). For that reason, I believe having them do this work as much as practical increases our overall efficiency without incurring undue risk.

On principle I avoid agreeing with Ekr -- but in this case he's
completely right :-)  Anyone who believes that the IESG / ADs run
anything is, sadly, mistaken - the secretariat is the actual power
behind the throne, and ADs are largely figureheads (ok, not really,
but fairly close) - the secretariat runs basically all of the tooling,
and has access to everything - when an AD wants a document to enter
IETF LC, they click a button which triggers the secretariat to
actually *do* $magic. When an AD wants a document to show up on the
telechat, they click a button - and it's the secretariat who actually
schedules it. After balloting, it's the AD who says "Great, approved"
- and then the secretariat who says "I think you mean *after* the
DISCUSSes are cleared, right? Right?!". I think that having Org owned
by the secretariat, and having them add and remove ADs as people roll
in and out makes much more sense than having ADs own anything. Alexey
is finishing his term, and will be replated - having the secretariat
handle this seems like a much better solution than having the ADs swap
people in and out...

W

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> -Ekr
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:21 PM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, at 01:04, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> > In the cases I'm familiar with, we have 2+ AD's and 2 WG chairs.  I
>> > think that's enough redundancy.
>>
>> I agree.  Though I think that if we are to set a hard limit, then it should be 2, not more.  Obviously, with the number of potential owners, we could have more.  Here is where I'm at right now:
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>> > GitHub requires that each organization have at least one owner.  The owners for a Working Group repository MUST include responsible Area Directors and SHOULD include Area Directors from the area and the IETF Secretariat.  Area Directors MAY also designate a delegate that becomes an owner. Working Group chairs MAY also be owners.  An organization MUST have at least 2 owners.
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idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
   ---maf