Re: [Ietf-and-github] Tracking drafts

"STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com> Wed, 12 February 2020 16:57 UTC

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  *   This patch is well-meaning, but it does not meet the IESG guidelines for design teams. For example, it enables completely closed groups that throw their output over the fence into Github. The edit does say "open participation", but that's not really defined. In particular, the IESG design team recommendations require named members, and periodic reports.

Perhaps adding “(such as making the repo public)” fixes that.

Since it costs money to make a GitHub repo private, and there is no suggestion that IETF spend money on official WG GitHub repos, I’m curious how such an addition to the text would make any difference.
If people want to set up a private and paid-for repo to stage changes before putting them in an IETF repo, I think it will be hard to stop them and I’m not convinced they would be doing something wrong.
Or am I an anomaly and misbehaving when I communicate with fellow draft authors off-list using direct email? Is *all* communication between draft authors and design team members required to be public? This is news to me.
I have to say I’m very much opposed to over-specifying and over-constraining how WGs use GitHub in order to prevent hypothetical problems. I’d prefer to get additional and more widespread experience to see what problems really occur and doing a bis or update to deal with those, rather than try to imagine and deal with all sorts of hypothetical problems now.
Barbara