Re: [Ietf-and-github] Tracking drafts

"Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net> Mon, 10 February 2020 21:16 UTC

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 08:16:32 +1100
From: "Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net>
To: "Spencer Dawkins at IETF" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, "Brian E Carpenter" <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Tracking drafts
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, at 04:38, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM Brian E Carpenter  <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  Fair enough. However, I think it is worth making the point somewhere that there is an analogy between a subset of participants who use a repo and a subset of participants that work as a design team, so the RFC2418 provisions for design teams should apply. 
[...]
> I think it IS fair to say "people working on an early version of a 
> draft in Github is the equivalent of a design team working on an early 
> version of a draft using private e-mail, so the usual working group 
> practices and cautions for design teams apply to Github as well", or 
> something like that. 

https://github.com/ietf-gitwg/using-github/pull/42 is a somewhat minimalist take on this.  There was already a point made with respect to difficult issues, but it's worth pulling up to the lead-in material.