Re: [Ietf-and-github] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-git-using-github-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

[Alvaro Retana <[e-mail]>]

On March 11, 2020 at 3:32:58 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:


Brian:

Hi!


> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > DISCUSS:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > This is a process DISCUSS. I don't believe the status of this document as a
> > BCP belonging to BCP 25 was discussed in the WG or with the IETF community.
> >
> > The Charter for the git WG only explicitly mentions BCP 9:
> >
> > The documents produced by this group will not alter the Internet Standards
> > Process (BCP 9). They will describe how to work within it. Whether working
> > groups choose to use GitHub or the documented policies to support their
> > work will remain entirely at their discretion.
> >
> > However, including this document as a part of BCP 25 (IETF Working Group
> > Guidelines and Procedures) results in the interpretation that it represents
> > consensus on how WGs should proceed -- and not that the decision "to use
> > GitHub or the documented policies...[is]...entirely at their discretion."
>
> Would a sentence to that effect in the Abstract and Introduction help?

It wouldn't hurt, but it also doesn't help with my issue: having this
document be part of BCP 25.



...
> > IOW, both (1) the process of reaching the conclusion that this document
> > belongs in BCP 25, and (2) the concept that this document would be part of
> > BCP 25, are the subject of my DISCUSS. I would like for the IESG to discuss
> > this topic.
>
> Have things changed? In the old days this question (which BCP number?) was
> typically left to the discretion of the RFC Editor, possibly with a bit of
> discussion with the AD. I certainly don't object to community discussion, of
> course (and we did do that in the case of BCP 101 recently).

No, I don't think things have changed.  In this case, the AD added a
note to the RFC Editor requesting them to "append this document to BCP
25 at the time of publication."

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-git-using-github/writeup/


However, I believe that BCP 25 is a special case because it applies
directly to WG operation.  The intention of adding documents to it
should (at least) be clear and some discussion should exist.


Thanks!

Alvaro.