Re: [Ietf-and-github] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-git-using-github-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Thu, 12 March 2020 00:57 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:56:31 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-git-using-github-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:52 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:

>
>
> > On 12 Mar 2020, at 11:48 am, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
> >
> > However, I wouldn't object to making it clearer. Perhaps: "The choice of
> whether to use Github or whether to adopt these practices if they do is at
> the discretion of the WG".
>
> That would help a lot, as would further clarification in the abstract (as
> discussed).
>
>
> > However, I would be sad to see us back off the claim that it's best
> current practice, because, as I said, that's the point of having a WG.
>
> I'm not against it being a BCP with those clarifications -- although it
> seems like there are continuing questions about what the normative force of
> a BCP is. Happy to punt those to a later day, however. And I'd hate to make
> you sad.
>

I appreciate that

To be clear, I actually don't care that much about document status: I do
care about the statement that we think they are good.

-Ekr


> Cheers,
>
> --
> Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
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