Re: [Ietf-and-github] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-git-using-github-05: (with COMMENT)

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Fri, 13 March 2020 03:58 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:58:32 +1000
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:50 PM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 14:44, Rob Sayre wrote:
> > This is all getting a bit long, to be honest. It is very odd for the
> > IESG to focus on this draft so intently. Dare I say "bikeshed"?
>
> I take the opposing view.  I greatly appreciate that the IESG care enough
> to make this document better.
>

Sure, but this level of scrutiny is not appropriate for a document that
contains easily-reversible decisions. It's not the same as shipping a
protocol that will become part of the internet.


But maybe this suggests that there is room for improvement in the process.
> Maybe like using something like GitHub for all the minor stuff to reduce
> the number of stray email bits caught by innocent bystanders.  But the need
> for transparency at this stage of the process is greater than previously,
> so it's not that simple.
>

I think the patience shown here is good, but don't think many of these
discussions are material. In particular, it's possible to run a pre-github
workflow in concert with the workflows in this draft.

thanks,
Rob