Re: [Ietf-and-github] Closing issues

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 02 November 2019 02:42 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:42:13 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Closing issues
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:22 PM Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02-Nov-19 14:41, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> > Looking at the draft, I think something that would address the issue Rob
> > is raising is that the first paragraph of 4.1.2 (about closing issues)
> > get an extra sentence.  Along the lines of:
> >      As noted in section 2.2, this guidance MUST be communicated to and
> > agreed by the working groups.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > One can argue that this is implicit in the document.  It seems like it
> > could help clarity and can't hurt.
>
> It's already clear in the document that normal IETF process rules
> apply, i.e. RFC2418 etc. That certainly implies quite a lot, including
> of course that contested decisions are appealable.
>

That is interesting. Has anything ever been overturned on appeal?

It would be good to record such an occurrence in future documents.

thanks,
Rob