Re: [Ietf-and-github] Rules regarding ownership of orgs

[Martin Thomson <[e-mail]>]

I'll take that suggestion.  I will mention other ADs as a possible delegate, which demotes that recommendation to a MAY.

With that, I think we're in a good place.  I will ship a revision with all the changes from AD review.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 08:30, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:
> I'm okay with this.
> 
> I still have a preference to make non responsible ADs in the area a MAY 
> rather than a SHOULD ... but I won't lose sleep over it.
> 
> Regards,
> Rob
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Thomson <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: 18 March 2020 21:12
> > To: Salz, Rich <[e-mail]>; Rob Wilton (rwilton)
> > <[e-mail]>
> > Cc: [e-mail], <[e-mail]>
> > Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Rules regarding ownership of orgs
> > 
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 03:30, Salz, Rich wrote:
> > > >    Isn't that a split between organizational owner vs admins?
> > >
> > > I could well be wrong here.  HOWEVER, it seems likely that the WG
> > > chair will be creating the organization, and therefore be an owner.
> > > There's lots of room for customization and tweaks (GitHub
> > > bikeshedding?), and the draft doesn't suggest how to do *everything.*
> > > Tools like Martin's, or my scripts, help codify things, but the WG
> > > chair still has, rightly so, a great deal of leverage to set up the GH
> > > organization as they see fit.  Those things together indicate, to me,
> > that they need to own the
> > > organization and repo's within it.
> > 
> > My understanding is that members can create repos (unless you specifically
> > disable that).
> > 
> > But it is also the case that you can't do things like enable CI without
> > being an owner. So I'm inclined to more strongly recommend ownership by
> > chairs.  Chairs that don't own the org can always ask for support, but I
> > see no reason not to have this more decentralized and to give chairs more
> > autonomy (that is the practice today and that works well).
> > 
> > So...
> > 
> > > GitHub requires that each organization have at least one owner.  The
> > owners for a Working Group repository MUST include responsible Area
> > Directors and the IETF Secretariat.  Working Group chairs and Area
> > Directors in the area SHOULD also be included as owners.  Area Directors
> > MAY also designate a delegate that becomes an owner.  An organization MUST
> > have at least 2 owners.
>