Re: [Ietf-and-github] Propose changing draft-ietf-git-using-github from BCP to Informational

Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> Fri, 20 March 2020 14:36 UTC

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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 07:34:12 -0700
From: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Propose changing draft-ietf-git-using-github from BCP to Informational
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Hearing little pushback, we're moving forward with this document as informational. We can always re-publish this as a BCP later on should that be deemed necessary.

Thanks,
Chris

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 14 Mar 2020, at 6:20 am, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I disagree that it is a minor or inconsequential change. It means that it is no longer a set of rules that a WG must follow if they choose to use GitHub. It just becomes some non-binding suggestions.
> 
> That is what this group is chartered to produce. 
> 
> > 
> > This has conseqences for the text, starting with the Abstract:
> > 
> >> This document describes best practices ...
> > 
> > needs to be something like
> > 
> > This document describes suggested guidelines ...
> > 
> > Then delete section 1.5 and lower-case all the RFC2119 keywords, to avoid confusion.
> 
> That’s already started; see the editors’ copy. 
> 
> > More seriously, we would lose the normative value of this:
> > 
> >>   In addition to Working Group policies, notices on repositories MUST
> >>   include citations for the IETF Note Well (https://www.ietf.org/about/
> >>   note-well/).
> > 
> > which really should be mandatory. Also this:
> > 
> >>   All repositories for Working Group documents within the Working Group
> >>   organization MUST be public.  
> > 
> > I haven't re-read the whole draft. There may be other things as well that are also important and not necessarily implied by RFC2418 already. So I do not agree to the change of proposed status.
> > 
> > Regards
> >   Brian Carpenter
> > 
> >> On 14-Mar-20 02:48, Christopher Wood wrote:
> >> During last call, some folks suggested draft-ietf-git-using-github is better suited as an Informational rather than BCP document. This seems like a minor and inconsequential change, though I'd like to hear from the WG to understand if folks object. To that end, if you disagree with this change, can you please let us know why?
> >> 
> >> Thanks!
> >> Chris
> >> 
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