Re: IETF registration fee increase from 2015

Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> Wed, 01 October 2014 15:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF registration fee increase from 2015
From: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
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Dave,

On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:

> On 10/1/2014 7:43 AM, IETF Chair wrote:
>> Early Bird Fee              $650 to $700, or 8%
> ...
>> The cause for the increase is a trend in rising costs.  
> 
> 
> Merely as a matter of normal due diligence, I suggest having the
> proposal include a comparison against industry-wide meeting cost trends,
> so that the IETF increase can be considered in terms of participant fees
> at similar types of meetings for other groups.
> 
> In other words, does the increase for IETF attendees match the kinds of
> increases being seen at other meetings?

This would certainly be an interesting exercise, but not particularly relevant.  

Registration revenue is but one part of the income structure that includes
sponsorships, hotel commissions, and Internet Society contributions to fund 
meetings, RFC Services, the Secretariat, IASA, tools maintenance and more.

Total expenses over the last 8 years have increased 32%, registration fees 8%.
Sponsorships and ISOC are not bottomless wells from which we can draw 
cash at will.  

Other organizations are not structured as we are.  It would not be an 
apples to apples comparison.

Just an additional note that the IAOC and ISOC are reviewing ways to 
achieve IETF sustainability, which I hope will lead to a diversification of 
income streams so that the IETF is not totally dependent on sponsors, ISOC
and meeting attendees.

Best
Ray



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