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Re: [Ietf-dkim] What has been tried and doesn't work should be documented in the problem statement

Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> Wed, 29 March 2023 02:24 UTC

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The warning that was issued was perfectly appropriate for a chair to issue.

And it appears to have been issued in consultation with the other chairs and AD as is fair.

The only thing that remains is for some other chair to have issued the warning.

From: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
Date: Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 7:51 AM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com>, Laura Atkins <laura@wordtothewise.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-dkim] What has been tried and doesn't work should be documented in the problem statement


On 3/28/23 7:16 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Let me clarify that


  1.  I think Mike’s tone to have been aggressive in this, and not constructive.  I would support an official warning being issued.


  2.  I also think that, as Scott pointed out, when Laura as a wg member has disagreed with Mike, in the interest of fairness, she should let one of the other chairs warn Mike.

She is not speaking as a working group member. She is speaking as a chair. That is the problem. Especially saying to "submit text" to a working group document that doesn't even exist. That is a problem with process and needs to be addressed.

Mike

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