Re: [Ietf-dkim] DKIM-Signature: r=y and MLM

Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Mon, 20 August 2018 09:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ietf-dkim] DKIM-Signature: r=y and MLM
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On Sat 18/Aug/2018 23:45:40 +0200 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> 
> OpenDKIM still implements RFC6651 and finds it useful for debugging
> problems with new implementations, so at least from that perspective I
> don't think historical status for it is warranted.  If an update is needed
> to cover the issues raised here, that's possibly worth pursuing.

The difference w.r.t. DMARC is that it is the signer, not necessarily the
author's domain owner, who gets the report.  So, yes, rfc6651 has its own
worthiness.  The part related to ADSP, however, deserves to be demoted to Historic.

IMHO, updating rfc665{1,2} should be done after rfc7489bis, moving the format
definitions to the latter spec, for the reasons explained in my previous message.

Best
Ale
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