Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: RE: Re: Fwd: RE: can I share the drafts of ISO 21636

[Sebastian Drude <[e-mail]>]

Thanks, Peter.

Your help will certainly be useful, much appreciated.

I do not think that the cooperation on TR 21636 and BCP47 necessarily 
needs to go via participating in ISO TC37/SC2/WG*1*, but those who what 
to cooperate need a legal way to have access to the TR drafts.

We'll figure that out when it comes to forming a concrete working group 
on that cooperation.


Best wishes from Brazil,
Sebastian

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On 10/12/2020 03:49, Peter Constable wrote:
>
> If there are US persons that would like to become active in 
> TC37/SC2/WG2 to participate in work on ISO TR 21636 (currently in 
> development), you can respond to me privately and I can help 
> facilitate that.
>
> Peter
>
> *From:* Ietf-languages <[e-mail]> *On Behalf Of 
> *Sebastian Drude
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 9, 2020 5:07 PM
> *To:* IETF Languages Discussion <[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* [Ietf-languages] Fwd: RE: Re: Fwd: RE: can I share the 
> drafts of ISO 21636
>
> Dear IETF-Languages group,
>
>
> just to let you know, I got a response from the responsible ISO 
> secretariat (below).
>
> I hope that it may be a possibility that those IETF-experts interested 
> in collaborating with us on making ISO TR 21636 and BCP 47 
> interoperable be recognized as experts sent by ANSI (and/or NIST?) to 
> participate in ISO TC 37 / SC 2.  That is how I am participating, as a 
> German DIN delegate expert (via University Frankfurt).
>
> Perhaps it would be worthwhile to contact the corresponding ANSI 
> people?  I guess you may have better contacts than "[e-mail] 
> <mailto:[e-mail]>".
>
> Or you see other possibilities.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sebastian
>
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> FERRES Mercè <[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>
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> Drude Sebastian Mr <[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>, 
> Galinski Christian Dr <[e-mail]> 
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
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> Dear Sebastian,
>
> Thanks for your request.
>
> Technical participation in ISO is restricted to the ISO member bodies 
> and liaison organisations.
>
> The US member body for ISO is ANSI: experts would have to be appointed 
> by ANSI. But I can see we have very many expert from NIST in ISO, so 
> although I do  not know how NIST and ANSI coordinate, it seems 
> possible that the experts come from NIST.
>
> This is a general ANSI contact, in case it helps: 
> https://www.iso.org/member/2188.html 
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fmember%2F2188.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C452f10c466f549c538af08d89ca8072f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C1%7C637431592774884730%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DbFXmor39x91%2Bhb6HevZu%2Bg%2Fk7iNyBI88hAyoKkCyHg%3D&reserved=0>
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> Best regards,
>
> Mercè
>
> mercèferrés hernández
> technical programme manager | standardization department | 
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> *From:* Sebastian Drude <[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> *Sent:* 2020-12-08 20:57
> *To:* FERRES Mercè <[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>; Galinski 
> Christian Dr <[e-mail]> 
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* Fwd: Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: RE: can I share the drafts 
> of ISO 21636
>
> Dear Mercé,
>
> let me please come back to you with the question of how the Internet 
> Engineering Taskforce on languages can collaborate with ISO TC 37 / SC 
> 2.  The colleagues at the IETF are not convinced that it would be a 
> good move to enter a formal liaison.
>
> Please see the dialogue below.  Doug has a point there at the end -- 
> it is *both* our interest, also ours at ISO, that the two frameworks 
> are interoperable.
>
> Besides asking them to join ISO, are there other ways?  Can individual 
> members of the IETF be nominated experts by NIST, for instance?  Or 
> can there an official joint working group be established without the 
> IETF entering a liaison?
>
> Thanks again in advance for your help and for trying to think out of 
> the box.
>
>
> Best wishes, Sebastian
>
>
>
>
>         Doug Ewell: I don’t think it would be helpful to establish a liaison with IETF
>
>         proper, that is to say, Area Directors and above. They have little to
>
>         no idea what this group does.
>
>           
>
>         Michael [Everson] and I are IETF Designated Experts for BCP 47. I wonder if SC2
>
>         would consider that.
>
>     SD: although I am not sure what exactly 'consider' means, in this context.
>
>     What would be the goal, that you as individual experts enter into a
>
>     special realtionship with ISO TC37/SC2?
>
> DE: That's kind of what I meant, I guess. Perhaps other experts from 
> this list could participate as well. The list at large is not really a 
> committee with a fixed membership that could itself constitute a 
> liaison group. And again, IETF leadership would not have any idea 
> where to begin with this project.
>
>
>     SD: I did not conclude my first experience with getting an institution
>
>     (CLARIN) to be a ISO liaison, so I really do not have much expertise
>
>     here how to proceed.  I will consult with colleagues within ISO.
>
> DE: That would be helpful.*The proposal has a stated goal of being 
> interoperable with BCP 47, but BCP 47 experts are not allowed to view 
> it or provide constructive feedback that could facilitate that 
> interoperability.  That doesn't feel much like a plan for success.*
>
>
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