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Re: [Ietf-languages] Language tag for Han pinyin

Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> Sun, 29 May 2022 05:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Language tag for Han pinyin
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I was also under the impression that Richard's question was about the use of 'pinyin' with the prefix "cmn-Latn", not about whether variants in general are widely supported.

I believe John's answer is the most appropriate one: prefixes listed in the Registry for a given variant are recommended, but not comprehensive. Regardless of whether it is important to specify that the language being tagged is Mandarin ("cmn" or "zh-cmn") rather than simply "Chinese" ("zh"), the variant 'pinyin' is equally suitable for any of these.

It is preferred to include the script subtag 'Latn' because, as Mark notes, not all implementations support variants. But this is unrelated both to which language subtag(s) is/are best suited for tagging this content, and to whether the Registry needs more Prefix fields added.

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