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Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com> Sun, 13 September 2015 17:10 UTC

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From: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
To: Tobias Bengfort <tobias.bengfort@posteo.de>, "ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" <ietf-languages@alvestrand.no>
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> But how should it be solved then? I get your concerns, but I have not yet found any alternatives.

http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/#qr-meaning-supplements 

One interesting point is:

	Making metadata viewable by humans (future link)

	◦EXAMPLE: Providing, in metadata, URI(s) that point to a pre-primary-reading-level and a primary-reading-level text transcript of a new scientific discovery advanced-reading-level article. 

Which would require two tags.  (Pre-primary and primary).  I'm generally an accessibility proponent, so I find myself pretty confused here.  I know what it means to be accessible for blind people or other physical disabilities.  I'm having a hard time grokking what this means though.

-Shawn

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