Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language identifiers for sign languages (incl. sgn) vs. attribute for indicating the representation of an individual language in "sign language modality"
"Doug Ewell" <doug@ewellic.org> Mon, 25 November 2019 15:56 UTC
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From: Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>
To: "Pyatt, Elizabeth J" <ejp10@psu.edu>, Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language identifiers for sign languages (incl. sgn) vs. attribute for indicating the representation of an individual language in "sign language modality"
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> it is different from all other languages. This can give it more
> prestige and respect.
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language identifiers for
sign languages (incl. sgn) vs. attribute for indicating the
representation of an individual language in "sign language modality"
From: "Pyatt, Elizabeth J" <ejp10@psu.edu>
Date: Mon, November 25, 2019 7:18 am
To: Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com>
Cc: <many>
In terms of identifying sign languages, it's important to note that languages such as ASL (American Sign Language) are not variants of a spoken language, but can be independent grammatical systems.
Finger spelling in ASL can provide a phonetic translation of specific spoken words, but the primary signs have nothing to do with English phonology or grammar. In fact, ASL was an adaptation of French Sign Language (FSL) and as such has object pronouns. It
https://www.accreditedlanguage.com/interpreting/types-of-sign-language-and-their-development/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.accreditedlanguage.com/interpreting/types-of-sign-language-and-their-development/
ASL also has second person plural pronouns and apparently does not always distinguish gender in the third person.https://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-layout/possession.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-layout/possession.htm
Tagging ASL as a variant of English would be incorrect. Tagging ASL as a sign language associated with the U.S.(i.e. sgn-us) might be more accurate. But having appropriate identification tags for the languages would be better, because there are dialects and "accents" in different sign languages.
FYI - SIL does have a mechanism to register specific regional sign languages.https://www.sil.org/system/files/reapdata/49/93/30/4993307252502011969228542832463330862/ISO_639_3_for_Deaf_Communities__English_.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.sil.org/system/files/reapdata/49/93/30/4993307252502011969228542832463330862/ISO_639_3_for_Deaf_Communities__English_.pdf
Hope this is useful.
Elizabeth
- Re: [Ietf-languages] language identifiers for sig… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… John Cowan
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Fourney, David
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… John Cowan
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… John Cowan
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… drude
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ietf-languages] language identifiers for sig… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… John Cowan
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… David Starner
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… John Cowan
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… John Cowan
- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… David Starner
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- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… David Starner
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- Re: [Ietf-languages] [EXTERNAL] Re: language iden… John Cowan
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