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Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-msporny-d-langtag-ext-00.txt

"Gordon P. Hemsley" <me@gphemsley.org> Tue, 28 May 2019 00:11 UTC

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To: ietf-languages@ietf.org, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-msporny-d-langtag-ext-00.txt
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On 5/27/19 4:23 PM, Manu Sporny wrote:
> On 5/27/19 3:40 PM, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote:
>> To jump on the bandwagon of pointing to places where this has already
>> been handled, CSS has whole specification for writing modes from a
>> presentational perspective:
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-writing-modes-3/
> 
> I fail to see how that helps express these concepts in a unified way
> across JSON, JSON-LD, RDF, and CBOR (to name a subset of the syntaxes
> that we're concerned about). I mean, it is helpful to see the options...
> it's not helpful in that none of those options or design patterns exist
> for the syntaxes previously mentioned.

Unifying "JSON, JSON-LD, RDF, and CBOR" is not my concern.

My concern is that numerous people who work with languages,
localization, and internationalization on a daily basis have already
considered these issues, and they are not as simple as a layperson may
believe. It would be wise for groups who do not work directly with
languages, writing systems, or locales on a daily basis to heed the
advice and prior work of experts before endeavoring to standardize
something that would affect those people. This is not a standard one can
throw together in haste.

> Here's some background, Gordon:
> 
> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-dir-literal/issues/3#issuecomment-496004819
> 
> .... and why we're having this discussion:
> 
> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-dir-literal/issues/3#issuecomment-496006350
> 
> .... and what the current proposed spec text in the Verifiable
> Credentials Data Model specification regarding i18n states:
> 
> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/641.html#internationalization-considerations
> 
> -- manu
> 

My original e-mail was meant to be informational, but now that I have
reviewed the links that you have included in multiple replies, I am
further convinced that the existing work, the listed requirements, and
the ramifications of the proposed solutions have not been sufficiently
considered.

--
Gordon P. Hemsley
me@gphemsley.org
http://gphemsley.org/

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