IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant subtags

Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> Mon, 07 December 2020 23:06 UTC

Return-Path: <doug@ewellic.org>
X-Original-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27A93A0C29 for <ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 15:06:58 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.497
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knLo3_WGGE7N for <ietf-languages@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 15:06:57 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mork.alvestrand.no (mork.alvestrand.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2::117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D81283A0C58 for <ietf-languages@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 15:06:56 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) id 693707C611C; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:06:55 +0100 (CET)
Delivered-To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no
X-Comment: SPF skipped for whitelisted relay - client-ip=192.0.33.71; helo=pechora1.lax.icann.org; envelope-from=doug@ewellic.org; receiver=ietf-languages@alvestrand.no
Received: from pechora1.lax.icann.org (pechora1.icann.org [192.0.33.71]) by mork.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30B867C5EC5 for <ietf-languages@alvestrand.no>; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:06:55 +0100 (CET)
Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pechora1.lax.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B3B27000354 for <ietf-languages@iana.org>; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 23:06:52 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from DESKTOPLPOB1E4 ([73.229.14.229]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id mPaPkRVKv4f3qmPaRkifBh; Mon, 07 Dec 2020 16:06:31 -0700
X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=PMHKRdmC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=5fceb577 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:117 a=9XGd8Ajh92evfb2NHZFWmw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=nORFd0-XAAAA:8 a=vxA36Y3fDEU3UGH6aIsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=AYkXoqVYie-NGRFAsbO8:22
X-SECURESERVER-ACCT: doug@ewellic.org
From: Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>
To: 'Mark Davis ☕️' <mark@macchiato.com>, 'Michael Everson' <everson@evertype.com>
Cc: 'ietflang IETF Languages Discussion' <ietf-languages@iana.org>
References: <20201129165255.665a7a7059d7ee80bb4d670165c8327d.447298ad23.wbe@email15.godaddy.com> <CAJ2xs_GgEgUv9i3WG0+kQG=_r-JtiLvBoWuOksqT7odRjkkiDA@mail.gmail.com> <8512F327-A7BE-43CA-A8C1-1F2FB5483C72@evertype.com> <CAJ2xs_GdcZXh8iGK-x7C7kt7E9Zs3Fd5UXtNkOzPAwScj8peqw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2xs_GdcZXh8iGK-x7C7kt7E9Zs3Fd5UXtNkOzPAwScj8peqw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 16:06:31 -0700
Message-ID: <001301d6cced$9b04d930$d10e8b90$@ewellic.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0
Thread-Index: AQD3UNx1HrrAsnalDqZgobwJvgMzwAKNt9olAbK5tzwBZ2loCKt9+Ylg
Content-Language: en-us
X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfKngZ8fhZVZiD7zguOpJ59oXl2N32at67Pe8p2HW1xZQy3ZcxbzhuYcjt2+ps1y2I8COJmAXWO5P+FrtHnjfZzwCGHqDkNo1H7rpbOi8jchYstPlET8V eTFCdm//7psDFTsKiL58lwq2wkzDkiTPIXa1QO72xXWckZoBzfE3V9PU5wwz6RUlD3f9sALcibp69TWyIyUHAWbQGH7OimewzDOKuVp4xfaNXXyIPOrDT+iG Mu8yGgZTx2fonRuSs5iZig==
X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (pechora1.lax.icann.org [0.0.0.0]); Mon, 07 Dec 2020 23:06:53 +0000 (UTC)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-languages/WeaanyfNz3sqMiA9wkoG9Ken6M8>
Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant subtags
X-BeenThere: ietf-languages@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-languages.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf-languages>, <mailto:ietf-languages-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-languages/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-languages@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-languages-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages>, <mailto:ietf-languages-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 23:06:59 -0000

Mark Davis wrote:

> One can have a simple policy for when it comes time to add a variant
> that could have general applicability, such as "vestland" (for
> 'Western Norwegian' = vestlandsk). In such a case, use the
> corresponding general word "western" instead, and add to the
> description the example 'no-western = Norwegian Vestlandsk'. Then
> there is no need to have a special variant for Western Slovak
> dialects, and innumerable other cases. 

I hope we never use the Description field to list examples of variant usage like this. There has got to be a better way. I know that some of the values provided by CLDR for the 'u' and 't' extensions are like this.

--
Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email