RE: Another attempt at plain language
"Doug Ewell" <doug@ewellic.org> Thu, 10 September 2015 20:05 UTC
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From: Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>
To: Kent Karlsson <kent.karlsson14@telia.com>, ietf-languages <ietf-languages@iana.org>
Subject: RE: Another attempt at plain language
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:20:47 -0700
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Kent Karlsson <kent dot karlsson14 at telia dot com> wrote: > Thus, I would in addition prefer a subtag name like "easy" rather than > "plain" or "simple". "Easy to read (or follow in speech), easy to > understand". That was exactly the opposite of my point. Language can be easy to understand for (at least) two reasons: 1. because it uses basic vocabulary and grammatical structures 2. because the content is direct and to the point I didn't want to argue over the exact value of the subtag, but to my mind, 'easy' could denote either of these concepts, and I believe that is quite the wrong approach. I think at the least, 'plain' would likely be interpreted as "straightforward, non-obfuscatory," which is NOT tied to any given language, and 'simple' would likely be interpreted as "not requiring advanced skills in language X." These are very different concepts, and I do not think it is a good idea to register a single subtag which would be construed to cover both of them. I think we need to pick one, or else start talking about two subtags. -- Doug Ewell | http://ewellic.org | Thornton, CO 🇺🇸
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