Re: Pending requests

Kent Karlsson <kent.karlsson14@telia.com> Thu, 26 November 2015 23:32 UTC

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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 00:31:47 +0100
Subject: Re: Pending requests
From: Kent Karlsson <kent.karlsson14@telia.com>
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Den 2015-11-26 23:04, skrev "Michael Everson" <everson@evertype.com>:

> On 26 Nov 2015, at 21:30, Kent Karlsson <kent.karlsson14@telia.com> wrote:

>> Yes, but as Mark (and, I think, Shawn) say: this is of very marginal use,
>> and should be at very low priority, and could wait, perhaps indefinitely.

> To what end? This is a volunteer effort. What benefit is there in waiting?

Just that is does not appear particularly urgent.


>> With regard to wpsimple, I don't like it, since it is (more or less) for
>> Wikipedia only (and then only for one or a few languages); even though
>> Wikipedia is "a pretty darn'd high-volume site².

> The specific simple variety
> of English for which a subtag has been sought is precisely the one used on the
> Wikipedia, as defined there. en-wpsimple is well-defined by the Wikipedia.

Yes, but as I said: it is (more or less) for Wikipedia only (and then only
for
one or a few languages). It is basically useless for anyone else.


[Regarding the CEFR scheme]
>I think that ranking levels of simplicity is way outside the scope of
> our project. 

In that case, "Ogden's Basic English" and 'wpsimple' would be "way outside
the scope of our project" as well.

> ISO 639 is codes for the representation of names of languages.
> Our subtags are too, just at a different level of granularity.

"<language X> 'subset' at level <n>"; e.g. 'es-levelB1' would be the tag
for "Spanish intended for readers/listeners at CEFR proficiency level B1".
That would be just as fine as "en-ogden" tag for "English according to
Ogden's  Basic English", and the former would be *way* more useful,
and the scheme is useable for any language, amplifying the usefulness
of CEFR level variant subtags.

/Kent K