Re: Pending requests
Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com> Fri, 27 November 2015 09:15 UTC
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From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:14:47 +0100
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On 27 November 2015 at 05:18, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote: > Shawn Steele scripsit: > >> Basic English was (at least partially) intended to be an international >> language that would be easy for people around the world to learn. > > Indeed, which was Churchill's original interest in it. Unfortunately, > its use of short native verbs with particles like "put up with" turns > out to be harder to learn than more inter-European words like "endure". Indeed. They are often so idiomatic that it makes a mockery of the "850-word" vocabulary. > But Ogden himself retorted with > "The lieutenant went in front of his men to the attack, but the other > side did not give way", Case in point - a German learning "give" (hand over to someone) and "way" (1: method; 2: path) will not be able to make head nor tail, I think, of "give way" (give someone a method? give someone a path?). So "give way" is effectively a single lexical entry, a lemma to learn separately. It's disingenuous to claim that you can get by with 850 words if you need to draw on English idioms like this to pull it off. (I mean, to achieve it -- again, "pull it off" is not obvious.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>
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- Re: Pending requests Johannes Wilkes
- Re: Pending requests David Starner
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- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests David Starner
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Philip Newton
- Re: Pending requests Philip Newton
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- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Basic English Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Basic English Mark Davis ☕️
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- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Basic English Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Basic English Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- RE: Basic English Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests John Cowan
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Philip Newton
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
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- Re: Pending requests Doug Ewell
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- RE: Pending requests Doug Ewell
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Peter Constable
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Mark Davis ☕️