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From: Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com>
To: Élie Roux <elie.roux@telecom-bretagne.eu>, IETF Languages Discussion <ietf-languages@iana.org>
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Thanks for clarifying. I think it would help to make this clearer in the wording in section 4.


Peter

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From: Ietf-languages <ietf-languages-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Élie Roux
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] subtag kmpre20c

> Typo: "speicific".

Thanks!

> This isn't clear to me. Is this meant to apply to texts that pre-dated _any_ of the XXth c. reforms?

Yes

> What if the text reflects some earlier XXth c. reform but not later reforms?

Then this tag should not be applied. Note that the early XXth c.
reform is the current official spelling (later spelling reforms have been used and then abandonned)

> Is there a need to distinguish texts that may reflect transitional XXth c. stages from current orthographic convention or a current standard reference?

Not in the dataset I need to tag. The need may certainly arise in other contexts and I'd support any initiative for tags differentiating the two main types of spellings of the XXth c. reforms.

> Also, literature from earlier periods of a language's history may reflect greater variety / less conventionality in spelling practice. If that is true for earlier Khmer literature, is this meant to encompass any earlier texts?

Yes

Best,
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Elie

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