Re: Basic English
Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com> Thu, 26 November 2015 18:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: Basic English
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At this point, I've pretty much given up on this process. Someone comes in with a legitimate need for variant that would be deployed on wikipedia (a pretty darn'd high-volume site), and be generally useful. What happens? This gets sidetracked into promoting an obscure variant that will get vanishingly small usage. I'll personally recommend in the future that people requesting anything useful to just not bother with a variant, and simply request instead a subtag with the -u- or -t- mechanisms, where the process has a sense of both perspective and utility. Too bad; the variants are syntactically simpler, and could have been a useful mechanism. Mark On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com> wrote: > So (ironically from me), where would we stop? > > Presumably libraries won't fail because there's no tag for Basic English. > Basic English has never had a tag before, and that hasn't prevented books > from being written in it, nor libraries from including it in their catalog. > > This particular language is getting attention because at this moment > Michael is interested in translating material to Basic English, desires a > code for that work, and knows how to make a proposal. There is also more > historical writing in Basic English than in many of the other published > varieties of English that have been experimented with, but probably less > that 'simplified' English. > > I don't want to start judging subtags on their merits, but it probably > shouldn't be allowed to be a free-for-all. It seems like if a subtag for > Basic English is interesting, then subtags for all of the others like > Anglic, Amxrikai Spek, etc. creations should also be allowed. That level > of detail under an "en" tag seems likely to disrupt library classification > systems that currently tend to put constructed languages in their own > unique place. > > A library probably wouldn't want to file these constructed English texts > with English, and they're likely of most interest to academics and others > interested in constructed languages. It doesn't make sense from a > librarians point of view to shelve Basic English "Alice in Wonderland" next > to English "Alice in Wonderland", the same way I wouldn't shelve a German > version in the same section. > > I wonder if there should be a subtag to indicate constructed variants, and > then include a bunch of the known constructed variants of English? > > -Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-languages mailing list > Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no > http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages >
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- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
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- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
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- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Basic English Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
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- Re: Basic English Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
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- RE: Basic English Shawn Steele
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