Re: Pending requests
"Doug Ewell" <doug@ewellic.org> Fri, 27 November 2015 17:37 UTC
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Philip Newton wrote: >>> I'm indifferent as to whether one should add a variant subtag for >>> "Ogden Basic English", but if added, the subtag must *not* be >>> "basiceng", as that would certainly be interpreted as some/any kind >>> of "simplified English". "ogden”, "ogdeneng" would be fine. >> >> Interpreted by whom? The parameters for the subtags are given in the >> proposals which are archived by IANA. > > By users who do not read the IANA submissions before using a tag they > saw and think fits their use case. > [...] > You can't completely prevent people from doing stuff they do not > understand, but sometimes the potential for mistaken use can be > lessened by the choice of term. This is a delicate balance. It was intended that users would pay attention to the other fields in the Registry, such as Description and Prefix, in order to understand what a tag or subtag means and how to create their own. But we know many users can't be bothered with reading the instructions, so it doesn't hurt to make the Subtag value somewhat mnemonic. At the same time, we have often been bogged down in "beauty contests" trying to pick the perfect subtag value, usually a futile task especially with an 8-character limit. Backing up a bit... > A bit like people who see "de-DE, fr-FR, it-IT" and then produce > "jp-JP (or ja-JA), en-EN" and similar tags. A bit. This is more a matter of reading BCP 47, which seems like a difficult (not just lengthy) effort to many. Even Don Osborn said he "got lost in the wording of RFC 5646," in a section I thought was relatively straightforward. -- Doug Ewell | http://ewellic.org | Thornton, CO 🇺🇸
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- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Pending requests Doug Ewell
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Mark Davis ☕️
- RE: Pending requests Doug Ewell
- Re: Pending requests Johannes Wilkes
- Re: Pending requests David Starner
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests David Starner
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Philip Newton
- Re: Pending requests Philip Newton
- Basic English Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Basic English Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Basic English Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Basic English Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Basic English Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- RE: Basic English Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests John Cowan
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- Re: Pending requests Philip Newton
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Basic English Doug Ewell
- Re: Pending requests Doug Ewell
- Re: Pending requests Doug Ewell
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Peter Constable
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests John Cowan
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Peter Constable
- RE: Pending requests Doug Ewell
- RE: Pending requests Doug Ewell
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Kent Karlsson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- RE: Pending requests Peter Constable
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- Re: Pending requests Michael Everson
- RE: Pending requests Shawn Steele
- Re: Pending requests Mark Davis ☕️