[Ietf-message-headers] Re: Re:I-DAction:draft-saintandre-header-pres-00.txt
"Frank Ellermann" <nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de> Tue, 06 November 2007 21:35 UTC
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Subject: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: Re:I-DAction:draft-saintandre-header-pres-00.txt
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Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> 1 - why two drafts instead of one ? > Because some people consider IM and presence to be fully separable > features, which is why we have both the pres: and im: URI schemes Two schemes with a semantics somewhere between about: and file: ... if I am interested in pres:juliet@example.com, can say Psi help me ? >> 2 - who wants to publish pres URIs in email headers ? > Presumably people who want to show presence icons next to the names > of message authors. Okay, but Gmail can manage that without a fancy Pres-ID: mail header field. I also don't quite believe in this separation "feature". >> 3 - what about Netnews ? > Yes, I added that in version -01 this morning (not yet submitted) Thanks. >> 4 - what's going on with the nice jabberid draft ? > That is still to be determined. You've now demonstrated your good will wrt im: and pres:, after that exercise please let's continue with the jabberid. It was almost perfect, "experimental" status is also okay. >> 5 - jabberid had an interesting IRI example, the new >> drafts claim that juliet@example.com is an URI. > For good or for ill, the pres: and im: URI schemes reuse the > "mailbox" construct from RFC 2822. Or something like that For ill, they imitate mailto:. But what I meant in (5) was a syntactical nit, juliet@example.com is no URI, you forgot the scheme, as in im:juliet@example.com > In any case non-US-ASCII characters would need to be handled > as is traditional in email systems, as far as I can see. "mailto-ter" (my name for a successor of mailto-bis supporting EAI) is a _very_ hard case. And mailto-bis is also a _very_ hard case. Don't hold your breath. IFF mailto-bis survives a Last Call, and IFF im/pres follow suite, and IFF 2822bis reduces its NO-WS-CTL horrors, and IFF EAI reaches "experimental", then might be a good time to look at im/pres again. >> 6 - I've never seen a pres: URI outside of RFC 3859, >> why should I wish to see this in a mail header ? > Because it is a more generic solution. Okay, I've to check if Psi has a "be more generic" option :-) > http://www.iana.org/assignments/im-srv-labels Some SRV magic, does it work wrt xmpp ? Apparently there is no _xmpp.stpeter.im. "SRV" is still a mystery for me. >> if I recall discussions with Paul and Martin on the >> URI list about RFC 2368 (mailto) correctly. > I do not recall that discussion. <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.w3c.uri/578> Sorry, it was Bruce and Paul, Matin was in other mailto-threads. Frank _______________________________________________ Ietf-message-headers mailing list Ietf-message-headers@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-message-headers
- [Ietf-message-headers] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-sai… Peter Saint-Andre
- [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sainta… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Peter Saint-Andre
- [Ietf-message-headers] Re: Re:I-DAction:draft-sai… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: Re:I-DAction:draft… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… SM
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Peter Saint-Andre
- [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sainta… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… SM
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Sam Hartman
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-sa… Cullen Jennings
- [Ietf-message-headers] draft-saintandre-header-pr… Bruce Lilly
- [Ietf-message-headers] Re: draft-saintandre-heade… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: draft-saintandre-h… Bruce Lilly
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: draft-saintandre-h… Peter Saint-Andre
- [Ietf-message-headers] Re: draft-saintandre-heade… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: draft-saintandre-h… Peter Saint-Andre
- [Ietf-message-headers] Re: draft-saintandre-heade… Frank Ellermann