Re: [ietf-nomcom] I-D Action: draft-moonesamy-nomcom-eligibility-00.txt
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 27 June 2013 01:41 UTC
Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf-nomcom@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf-nomcom@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix)
with ESMTP id 8D1F511E8177 for <ietf-nomcom@ietfa.amsl.com>;
Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -102.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5
tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com
[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mm8-VIotgB6D for
<ietf-nomcom@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pb0-x229.google.com (mail-pb0-x229.google.com
[IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
1ABC311E8103 for <ietf-nomcom@ietf.org>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rp16so205319pbb.0 for
<ietf-nomcom@ietf.org>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to
:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding;
bh=k5uJ6WYPFZsJCHp+QqvMYhIwP1twwOSuFtWdd1z6woU=;
b=xLr9NIouJWJG6OqkhQpziNr1jovp2Xn1osB9Q5VHc3HVY0GqcTjCAbmWNKfVz18tM2
zOkDiNeqjVgKps11qre8JMG6ztrXwyiZZ+2Xodv+XXh5g5VOc54EVF1U1XqmKauVvB1a
iSucMj7/L4JPazKYY/LBOv1d842MDhgUxWIQBTM/rhIvdwWcY0zUoPttYi9HfQnRmtFK
83DbH4JtUHMKyiCU8epVF0M3NPPSoCiP+Myeo2mP4/1/KZgOEEfdxsgtBzTPdvYZJ1ds
HJDBDH9h0lkmGcOjPfI5XhUgBAAi3AXuXQkcgZ+DP+LHGz+PptiljVI90U2ZirBDZYwf aQWA==
X-Received: by 10.66.7.164 with SMTP id k4mr3428595paa.142.1372297305818;
Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [172.24.31.170] (wireless-nat-1.auckland.ac.nz.
[130.216.30.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id
xl3sm601071pbb.17.2013.06.26.18.41.43 for <ietf-nomcom@ietf.org>
(version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:41:44 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <51CB985C.9030305@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:41:48 +1200
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ietf-nomcom@ietf.org
References: <20130625221832.29674.66726.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
In-Reply-To: <20130625221832.29674.66726.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [ietf-nomcom] I-D Action:
draft-moonesamy-nomcom-eligibility-00.txt
X-BeenThere: ietf-nomcom@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussions of possible revisions to the NomCom process
<ietf-nomcom.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf-nomcom>,
<mailto:ietf-nomcom-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-nomcom>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-nomcom@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-nomcom-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-nomcom>,
<mailto:ietf-nomcom-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:41:46 -0000
So, I understand what this is trying to do:
> Members of the IETF community must have attended at least 3 of
> last 5 IETF meetings remotely or in person including at least 1 of
> the 5 last IETF meetings in person in order to volunteer.
It's not unreasonable; on some interpretations of "attended ... remotely"
it would requalify me for NomCom, for example. But it raises two flags for
me:
1. I don't think that physical attendance at one meeting is convincing
as an indication that someone really understands how things work
around here. As John hints, *any* objective criteria are a surrogate
for whether a person groks the culture. But if we must have criteria,
they need to be convincing. I would prefer something more like
...must have attended at least 3 meetings in person, and have
attended at least 3 of the last 5 meetings in person or remotely...
(i.e. this looks at their lifetime history of personal attendance,
and their recent record of any kind of attendance).
2. I didn't find an objective definition of "attend remotely".
Brian
Regards
Brian
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] I-D Action: draft-moonesamy-nom… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] I-D Action: draft-moonesamy-nom… S Moonesamy