Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Process: Eligibility
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Subject: Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Process: Eligibility
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--On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:07 -0700 S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote: >> I find it interesting that the competing tensions of "make >> sure there is a set of more experienced people on NomCom" and >> "widen NomCom to allow broader participation" might be solved >> by the same measure. > > My quick reaction would be that the goals oppose each other. > Thinking of it more, I would say that the set of more > experienced people would increase over the long term while > bringing in more participation. In principle, yes. In practice, I think it is unlikely unless we also figured out how to reduce somewhat the size and length of the time commitment (f2f or otherwise) required of Nomcom members. Note that those "more experienced people" include three groups: * those whose time is already heavily committed to leadership roles such as the ones Dave cited. * those who have some desire or expectation of being tapped for leadership roles for which Nomcom membership would make them ineligible. * those who have withdrawn from active IETF participation (including physical presence) due to lack of time, commitments elsewhere, or general disgust. There are other groups too, but I don't know how large they are. I am pretty confident that few, if any, of the people from the above groups are likely to volunteer for the Nomcom unless we figure out how to lower the time commitment (or at least the f2f commitment) required. As with the more traditional leadership positions, reversing the trends of recent years and reducing the time and other commitments would be likely to broaden the candidate pool. By contrast, and by analogy to the "don't expect people from one group to be able to fully understand and represent the perspective of another" part of the diversity discussion, a very large Nomcom time commitment is likely to reduce the people on the Nomcom who understand the value of considering people for the IESG, IAB, and IAOC who are be committed to limiting the time commitment of those roles. john
- [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Process: E… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Joel
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Russ Housley
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Joel
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Russ Housley
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Joel
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Joel
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Mary Barnes
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Joel
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… Joel
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-nomcom] The Nominating Committee Proces… S Moonesamy