Re: [ietf-outcomes] "Instances" column

Ray Pelletier <> Mon, 15 February 2010 03:00 UTC

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On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:45 PM, David Harrington wrote:

> Well, part of the problem is that I do not really understand the
> purpose of the wiki if there is an instances column.
> Is it still about general rough perceptions of adoption, and instances
> imply some level of adoption?
> or is it about marketing, which the IETF typically stays away from?
> I know Ray asked for instances. Why does he want that? Is he going to
> buy an instance of the standard?
> Is it to prove that adoption is somehow reflected in the number of
> products available?
> Is it to reflect the informal "maturity" of the standard in the
> industry?

When I approached Dave about adding a 'Utilization' column I said:
So Adoption might say ++, but it naturally follows to ask - where? What
products?  Like XMPP for Jabber. SIP for ... People can relate to  
that. It's a
demonstration of the relevancy of the IETF in people's everyday lives.

I thought it would be easier for regular people, the media and  
potential sponsors
to understand the enormous contribution the IETF has made towards the  
of the Internet, and the importance of the continuation of that effort.

You know better than they how this work has been translated into  
products and services
that people and companies use every day.


> I think the otherwise-reasonable value proposition of the instances
> column might actually not be very clear.
> I think 'instances' can add to the confusion of the metrics used to
> informally measure success and failure.
> I think columns to represent implementations (vendor adoption) and
> usage (user adoption) would be more useful than instances and
> adoption.
>> d/
>> -- 
>>   Dave Crocker
>>   Brandenburg InternetWorking
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