Re: [ietf-privacy] protocol discussion

David Lloyd-Jones <david.lloydjones@gmail.com> Thu, 05 April 2018 15:04 UTC

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From: David Lloyd-Jones <david.lloydjones@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 11:04:05 -0400
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Sigh.

On 5 April 2018 at 04:14, F_against <f_against@protonmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for supporting me Christian. I will do a writeup and save some
> comma.
>
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> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 4 April 2018 8:26 PM, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> wrote:
>
> Anonymity and commas apart, this request falls in the general category of
> "starting new work in the IETF". I wish we had a specific page on the IETF
> web site explaining how to do that. For your specific proposal on
> alternative to OTP, I would:
>
> 1) Write a white paper explaining the problem you want to solve --
> emphasis on problem, rather than solution. This will be the basis for the
> initial discussions.
>
> 2) Demonstrate that there is interest in solving the problem in some
> community. It has to be more than just you, there has to be some people or
> companies who think solving the problem is important, and who are ready to
> work in the IETF to develop a standard and later implement and deploy the
> standardized solution.
>
> 3) Contact the relevant area director in the IETF on the best way to
> proceed. In your case, that would be the directors of the security area,
> Benjamin Kaduk and Eric Rescorla. (See addresses at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/). They will advise you on the next step,
> which can be either more research, or working with an existing working
> group, or start the process towards creation of a working group.
> Note that there is a big tension between anonymity and standardization.
> The standardization process requires transparency to prevent abuses such as
> insertion of patented technology in standards without proper disclosure.
>
> -- Christian Huitema
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>
>
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> On 4/4/2018 2:58 AM, David Lloyd-Jones wrote:
>
> Um, I think you need to get a handle on how the comma works and how its
> working affects meaning.  The ancient usage of the comma in the Second
> Amendment of the US Constitution is a good example of the trouble one can
> get into with misplaced commas.
>
> Your odd use of the comma in your message suggests that you are not yet
> ready to take on the sometimes crucial topic of protocols, anonymous F.
>
> Sorry 'bout 'dat, but frankness is sometimes the best policy.
>
> Best wishes,
> -dlj.
>
> On 3 April 2018 at 15:32, F_against <f_against@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I want to talk about protocol, that has similar characteristics to otp.
>> Are you interessted?
>>
>> Greetings
>> F.
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