Re: [ietf-privacy] Is there an official working definition for Privacy Online?

Josh Howlett <Josh.Howlett@jisc.ac.uk> Fri, 17 April 2015 15:12 UTC

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> Note that the definition isn't all that complicated, but does cover the
> essential issue that discussions of privacy usually entail, specifically control
> over disclosure.  Also note that that is quite a useful distinction from
> "confidentiality" and its usual embodiment of "encryption".

+1

My simplistic rule of thumb is that confidentiality relates to the opaqueness of information communicated /between/ subjects, whereas privacy relates to the disclosure of information by one subject /about/ another.

Josh.

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