Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP / no bad reputation?
John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 12 October 2020 20:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP / no bad
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> Please reread my message, this time noting the examples I gave. This goes well > past happenstance spam sewer adjacency and into legit senders not following > rules somebody just made up or changed. Could you be clearer about "a single noisy neighbor sending a bit too much mail without jumping through the necessary hoops." I've seen individual senders blocked for being new (it was pretty comical what MS did when I set up a 30 day test account at O365 last month) but I haven't seen that block an entire IP range. Bot spam will do that. > Is "filter responsibly" also off the table? Depends how much you want to pay people to accept your mail. I don't think we want to go there. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
- [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requirement in… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Russ Allbery
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Claus Assmann
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Richard Clayton
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Laura Atkins
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Laura Atkins
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Laura Atkins
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Laura Atkins
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Richard Clayton
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Richard Clayton
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] EHLO domain validation requiremen… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Claus Assmann
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Claus Assmann
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Claus Assmann
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Evert Mouw
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Claus Assmann
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Laura Atkins
- Re: [ietf-smtp] own mail server: DNS / static IP … Sam Varshavchik