Re: [ietf-smtp] An Applicability Stateement for core email specifications - and request for AD advice/instructions
Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> Mon, 16 March 2020 11:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] An Applicability Stateement for core email specifications - and request for AD advice/instructions
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Hi John, I am finally catching up with a few outstanding requests. > On 8 Mar 2020, at 17:49, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > > (personal opinion, not wearing any particular hat) > > Hi. > > Discussions on this (ietf-smtp) list since before IETF 106 and > the informal proposals to try to revise RFCs 5321 and 5322 and > get them done before now (!), have convinced me, and I think at > least some others, that an Applicability Statement or BCP --one > that can cover current advice for application and use of > provisions of the core protocols and related ones -- is going to > be key to an actual revision effort for 5322 and (especially) > 5321 being a matter of weeks or a few months rather than years > of work. > > If we are going to continue discussions in anticipation of an > eventual WG, I think it would be helpful to get an outline of > what might be in, or evolved into, such an A/S or BCP posted > soon. It could act, not only as a placeholder but a place to > keep (historically archival, because that might be important) > notes of what we expect to put there, partially so that we could > put pointers and references into 5321bis/5322bis. I personally like this idea. So +1 from me. > > Its presence as a placeholder could also help with constructing > a draft WG Charter. > > I guess I am, reluctantly, willing to sign up to produce a first > cut at such an (-D or an outline of one (although certainly not > before tomorrow's posting deadline). Please do! > But my condition for doing > so would be a volunteer for co-author who would be willing to > take over the work and maintain the document. That would be a > good opportunity for someone new at this work, possibly more > involved in day-to-day operations of large email systems, and > with a different perspective on things than I have. So, unless > others object or the ADs have conflicting advice, volunteers > sought. I am willing to help out with this one, if you like someone not junior (in addition to a more junior person). > > On a similar note, I have been maintaining a list of possible > issues and changes to 5321 in Appendix G of 5321bis. I'm > willing to continue to do that, but it may be that either a > formal tracker or an IETF-sanctioned Github repository would be > a better way to manage and facilitate discussion on those topics > and where they belong. Other than a personal distaste for > trying to track long and complex discussions that I cannot read > in real time in Github, I have no preference among the three > options. But I don't think setting something up requires a WG > or even a firm plan/ draft charter for one and so, if others > (particularly the ADs or or potential WG chairs) have strong > opinions, this would be, IMO, a good time to get them posted. While I don’t particularly like GitHub interface (I love git itself), I think it is the more commonly used tool these days. (My next choice would be trac on tools.ietf.org) I can set one up, if there is rough agreement to use GitHub. Best Regards, Alexey
- [ietf-smtp] An Applicability Stateement for core … John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] An Applicability Stateement for c… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] An Applicability Stateement for c… John C Klensin