Re: [ietf-smtp] MTS-STS validation when MX host points to a CNAME, violating RFC 2181 § 10.3

Kristijonas Lukas Bukauskas <kr@n0.lt> Fri, 02 April 2021 16:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] MTS-STS validation when MX host points to a CNAME, violating RFC 2181 § 10.3
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On 2021-04-02 18:09, Hector Santos wrote:

> If the receiver administrative policy is causing a pain and they don't
> see that you may not be the only one with MX->CNAME records and they
> do exist, they won't make an exception, then you're only left with one
> thing - comply with the 2181 specification.

This is the their recent response:

> As my colleagues who investigated this issued communicated, our 
> position is that this is primarily due
> to what we believe to be a non-RFC compliant MX record.
> Regardless of the liberal acceptance of this for regular mail, in this 
> case, our implementation of MTA-
> STS is not as liberal.
> Treating this as a feature request to support such behaviour leads us 
> to evaluate the importance of such work. Viktor's numbers (~0.3% +/- 
> 0.1% of MX records are CNAMEs) clearly shows this is not an urgent or 
> critical matter threatening the ecosystem and deployment of MTA-STS and 
> therefore we have rejected the
> request.
> I urge you to fix your MX record.

I still have a concern regarding an error returned in their aggregated 
TLS report:

> {"organization-name":"Microsoft 
> Corporation","date-range":{"start-datetime":"2021-03-31T00:00:00Z","end-
> datetime":"2021-03-31T23:59:59Z"},"contact-info":"tlsrpt-noreply@microsoft.com","report-
> id":"132617776923269755+n0.lt","policies":[{"policy":{"policy-type":"sts","policy-string":["version:
> STSv1","mode: enforce","mx: mx.n0.lt","max_age: 
> 84600"],"policy-domain":"n0.lt"},"summary":{"total-
> successful-session-count":0,"total-failure-session-count":36},"failure-details":[{"result-
> type":"certificate-host-mismatch","failed-session-count":36}]}]}

Is this a correct error to return, even if with CNAME/MX? (SANs are 
n0.lt and *.n0.lt in my cert.)

> "certificate-host-mismatch": This indicates that the certificate
> presented did not adhere to the constraints specified in the MTA-
> STS or DANE policy, e.g., if the MX hostname does not match any
> identities listed in the subject alternative name (SAN) [RFC5280]
  [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8460#section-4.3.1]

> Good luck with your affair!! <g>

Thank you! :)

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Regards,
Kristijonas