Re: [ietf-smtp] Stray <LF> in the middle of messages

Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Wed, 10 June 2020 20:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Stray <LF> in the middle of messages
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On the TOPS-10 side, the use of CRLF goes back to the PDP-6 Monitor OS. (Before
that I have no idea.) This takes us back to 1965. Except that it wasn't
precisely CRLF - in some cases you were allowed to omit the CR on the second
and subsequent blank lines.

I think this died out fairly quickly, but I recall seeing code to accomodate it
in some CUSP (commonly used system program) or other.

AFAIK Tenex copied TOPS-10 in this area.

				Ned

> In article <d73baf1d-ef7f-7c0e-1e5e-10d8ba748af7@pscs.co.uk> you write:
> >CR takes you back to the start of the current line, and LF takes you to
> >the next line (at the current position), ...

> Except when it doesn't. In 1969 when people at Bell Labs were writing
> the early versions of Unix, they had a lot of the otherwise obscure
> Model 37 Teletype, which had upper and lower case and where the 012
> character was a new line (NL), moving the print position to the
> beginning of the next line. It had unusually sophisticated buffering
> for the era and didn't need any delay characters. Teletype was an
> AT&T subsidiary so it's not surprising that the Labs would get early
> versions of their products.

> Other places the models 33 and 35 were the most popular terminals,
> both of which needed CR/LF to print properly. But as Dave noted, we
> had to pick some line end convention and given how common CR/LF was at
> the time, it was as good a convention as any.

> Even the earliest Unix systems had tty drivers that could adapt to
> model 33 or 35, adding CR in front of NL and providing escapes to
> enter lower case letters and other characters not on the keyboard.

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