Re: [ietf-smtp] Terminology, was Followup to your reply on the IETF-SMTP mailing list
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 25 May 2021 18:31 UTC
Return-Path: <johnl@iecc.com>
X-Original-To: ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9684E3A18BD for <ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 25 May 2021 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.851
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=tBCRKJC6; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=NaF8CH71
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XwHhcgSvkPh2 for <ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 25 May 2021 11:31:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E89653A18C3 for <ietf-smtp@ietf.org>; Tue, 25 May 2021 11:31:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 64904 invoked from network); 25 May 2021 18:31:37 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=fd86.60ad4289.k2105; bh=x/Y1zpgBFER3QZoNTtV2A0d1reuVp/Zm3wJs0m0j8Dc=; b=tBCRKJC6OqhgDzBRPX7d3zdgeKU9ehUcyPEaCWhqX3u2ufz84dftIaHm8woDjzhB0l6DvRaNy0BxEtzN3f5Wtjoh1t8UGxJ7O3eswV0XsD2hJUEozyiH2Woj099yqmorl/HCf8kYOTEd00A/sbnGv1JAQo4VB6lr8wEJZ5ZDHc7f/aEt7iUKAXIbbDzrVVLIWKAg2+lX+DZyoi0VX1hc8i5yP8IkkchSb+TTUPNRkEWyuC7T6a/tK7Nwn0lb2vlq+Gzu1SnZey2mxeHr0v9IePxum0Ilw2AZI7VA8aRLp6CFfVE8qjBvwxbWWmmBBwuD61cHVh81RRpJMROgMBFd0w==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=fd86.60ad4289.k2105; bh=x/Y1zpgBFER3QZoNTtV2A0d1reuVp/Zm3wJs0m0j8Dc=; b=NaF8CH71/oPyagIB0SK3M7/vkoVYlXs44gJTaDmW4UhFuf0j+Nn4Vla62ZLaooksg9hjVJm3pikThcC7DFFk0bN46hYiqTJ4harp4TbWK2/2YZglycSXNTU2F19wx6kpqoJmbvHACUK8uFJ0/QGrdlnvEseWvbAJc7JubZY01G0DaHnNNHG5WjRy5gd3GFlkgmAVVW4BD7RbmCPcJtReRfy+kHp3PhWBoCEbJ7wSGvRqzwWWudsY7wCX3DJmUjHJiNtnxZtdtIGv+BmTrWUaXxBv+TpcAy5F7q2GFTvKK9p3/BZXI3/ppPGa90ugx89LSrvxWhHtp5jSASvPkiumdw==
Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 25 May 2021 18:31:36 -0000
Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id CB0A28B8792; Tue, 25 May 2021 14:31:35 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 14:31:35 -0400
Message-Id: <20210525183135.CB0A28B8792@ary.qy>
From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
To: ietf-smtp@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: <DBBAE5C4-2F30-4CAF-BC68-4823868796B0@ef1p.com>
Organization: Taughannock Networks
X-Headerized: yes
Cleverness: minimal
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-smtp/OqfT4ZHOsadwJiwHvA6IvdqkWLk>
Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Terminology, was Followup to your reply on the IETF-SMTP mailing list
X-BeenThere: ietf-smtp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussion of issues related to Simple Mail Transfer Protocol \(SMTP\) \[RFC 821, RFC 2821, RFC 5321\]" <ietf-smtp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf-smtp>, <mailto:ietf-smtp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-smtp/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-smtp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-smtp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-smtp>, <mailto:ietf-smtp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 18:31:48 -0000
It appears that Kaspar Etter <kaspar@ef1p.com> said: >Thank you for the additional context. Personally, I strongly object to the idea that mail service provider (MSP) >and email service provider (ESP) can stand for different things. Unfortunately, you're at least a decade too late. The terms are well established in the industry and there is no point in trying to change them now. R's, John
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Followup to your reply on the IET… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Followup to your reply on the IET… Kaspar Etter
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Followup to your reply on the IET… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Terminology, was Followup to your… John Levine