Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for EMAILCORE WG-to-be

Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 22 July 2020 12:42 UTC

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From: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:42:25 -0400
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To: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for EMAILCORE WG-to-be
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Thanks Alexey.

I personally like to leave a few small grammar or editorial issues in my
proposed charters, so the IESG will feel vindicated in requesting edits.

tim


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 8:40 AM Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
wrote:

> On 22/07/2020 13:36, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> > On 7/22/2020 5:26 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote:
> >> In the last paragraph, would it harm to drop "and assuming the
> >> participants still have the momentum to do so" ?  Recharting will
> >> require reevaluation anyway.
> >
> > Good point.  But it doesn't go far enough.  Rather, drop the entire
> > paragraph:
> >
> >> Upon completion of these three milestones, and assuming the
> >> participants still have the momentum to do so, the working group may
> >> undertake similar review and revision of other email specifications.
> >> Such future work will require rechartering.
> >
> > Typically, text like this in a charter is gratuitous, since it
> > explicitly has nothing to do with work that is currently within scope.
> > It's only saving grace can be indirect, to aid in the definition of
> > what is out of scope for current work.  But that's best achieved by
> > simply saying what is out of scope.
>
> Yes, happy to drop this.
>
>
>