Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people refuse to implement parts of it ?
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sat, 05 June 2021 18:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people refuse to implement parts of it ?
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--On Saturday, June 5, 2021 09:21 -0700 Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: > At any rate, it appears that you are suggesting expanding the > proposed, very simple, very narrow, very pragmatic and > entirely experience-based proposal into a larger and more > generic activity. > > While the latter might be worth considering, there is nothing > about the current issue that requires coupling it to the > larger task. Except that (1) Your "very simple, very narrow, very pragmatic, and entirely experience-based proposal" may also be very wrong. I don't personally think it is, but I believe that deciding to make that change by, e.g., the discussions on this list in the last few days, would be inappropriate because it gives little or no voice to those who have the strongest interest in in a fully internationalized email system. And no matter how often you insist that your proposal is a very simple and pragmatic change --presumably with no side effects-- will alter that exclusion and the possibility those people identifying long-term side effects we have not identified. (2) At the risk of being even more pragmatic about your "very pragmatic" proposal, I know of no way to make an authoritative change in a standards track RFC -- whether one word or a few paragraphs -- without generating an I-D, having it discussed in the community, going through IETF Last Call, and publishing a new RFC. That is not a lightweight process even if the change is "very simple and very narrow". It seems to me that asking the question of whether, given limited resources and energy and other priorities, it is worth doing... and reaching a tentative "no" conclusion. John Levine's recent note suggests to me that this issue is not a big problem and that, if we are inclined to put more energy into the SMTPUTF8 collection, those resources are better spent elsewhere. john
- [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people ref… John R. Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Jiankang Yao
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Valdis Kl ē tnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Should we update an RFC if people… Viktor Dukhovni