Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-crocker-email-deliveredto-00.txt
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-crocker-email-deliveredto-00.txt
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Hi Dave, On Thu 04/Feb/2021 22:46:06 +0100 Dave Crocker wrote: > G'day SMTP folk, > > This draft was prompted by discussion in the emailcore wg, but is outside the > scope of the wg charter. So the spec is being pursued as AD-sponsored. A few points: 1) In the sentence: The Delivered-To: header field is added at the time of delivery, when responsibility for a message transitions from the Mail Handling (Transport) Service to an agent acting on behalf of the specified recipient address. (Please substitute /Mail Handling/Message Handling/, so that it matches RFC 5598. Perhaps substituting /Transport/SMTP/ might improve readability.) That sentence implies there is no Delivered-To: if the message is copied locally without going through MHS. For example, some MDAs accept either email addresses (local or remote) or local mailbox paths to deliver a copy. If one specifies delivery by means of local paths, no further Delivered-To: is added (and neither could be, since the agent doesn't know the address in that case). Is that worth noting? BTW, you don't use the term Message Delivery Agent (MDA). Is it by purpose? 2) ABNF "Delivered-To:" FWS Mailbox CRLF Note: The field records only a single address, for one recipient. Would it be worth to note that Mailbox (capital M) comes from [SMTP], not [Mail-Fmt]? 3) IDNs: When I write a message to user@foà.it (fake user, real domain) the MDA writes Delivered-To: user@xn--fo-kia.it. I see no reason for doing so. The message is SMTPUTF8 anyway because of the To: user@foà.it header field, which is maintained. Are there reasons to mangle the domain name? > The SMTP mailing list is cited in the draft as the discussion venue. Didn't find that citation. Best Ale --
- [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Valdis Kl ē tnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Fwd: New Version Notification for… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Pete Resnick
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Pete Resnick
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Pete Resnick
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Pete Resnick
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Valdis Kl ē tnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John R. Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Pete Resnick
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] New Version Notification for draf… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] return-path vs delivered-to, was … John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] return-path vs delivered-to, was … Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] return-path vs delivered-to, was … John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] return-path vs delivered-to, was … Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] return-path vs delivered-to, was … John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] return-path vs delivered-to, was … Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John R. Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John R. Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John R. Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] return-path vs delivered-to, was … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John R. Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] what's not a trace field Dave Crocker