Re: history of From: validation, was DMARC-4-ML

Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net> Thu, 15 May 2014 12:46 UTC

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> The only thing I got wrong was that I expected the damage to come from
> large numbers of small clueless operators publishing strict policies,
> like a flock of tiny gorillas beating their wee chests and shouting
> "Fear us, O Internet!" in high squeaky voices.  It never occurred to
> me that two of the largest and most sophisticated mail operators in
> the world would do such a thing.

And this is how we design protocols in the IETF.  The saga continues...


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