Re: IETF WG meetings and remote participation
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 15 February 2020 21:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: IETF WG meetings and remote participation
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 2/15/20 2:41 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > I think each draft should have a youtube video attached such that > instead of wasting time to listen to one actor shows watch it before > and then sped those 10-15 min to interactively discuss. Videos are nearly always a huge waste of time, just as presentations in meetings are nearly always a huge waste of time. If the internet-draft is too dense to be read in a few minutes, post the slides in advance (maybe with notes), expect people to read those, and spend the "presentation" time on questions-and-answers. Face-to-face meeting time should be devoted to *interaction*. Keith
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