Re: RFC 20 status change last call: References to appendices

David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Sun, 04 January 2015 01:43 UTC

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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Subject: Re: RFC 20 status change last call: References to appendices
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:42:52 -0600
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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> On Jan 3, 2015, at 13:26, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> In article <20150103180808.19797.qmail@ary.lan> you write:
>>> An erratum saying "the text points to appendixes that are actually in
>>> the ANSI standard it talks about" should be sufficient.
> 
> By the way, I don't have a copy of X3.4-1968, but I do have a copy of
> X3.4-1977, which says in the back that it's a minor revision of the
> 1968 edition.  The two footnotes on page 5 appear unchanged in the
> 1977 edition, other than that appendix B4 is now B5, and I can assure
> you that you haven't missed anything you didn't already know.
> 
> R's,
> John

Give that reference copies of x3.4-1968 are few and far between and I don't believe are available electronically anywhere other than RFC 20 itself, I would like to suggest a note in the erratum translating the appendix pointers to x3.4-1977 and that the current version x3.4-1986 contains the differences between it and x3.4-1977.

FYI, an unofficial version of x3.4-1965 was is published in; Communications of the ACM, Volume 8 Issue 4, April 1965, Pages 207-214 and available electronically at;

http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=363839

The article discusses in detail the differences between the proposed version and x3.4-1963. The differences between x3.4-1965 and x3.4-1968 are relatively obvious when you compare the text of RFC 20 with the text in the article, and also easily provides the gist of the x3.4-1968 appendices not provided in RFC 20.

I hope we can put this to bed and promote RFC 20 officially the Internet Standard status it deserves and for all intensive purposes that it is and has been for over 45 years.  Further, I support the erratum with the translation to x3.4-1977 as noted above and the correction to the obvious OCR errors in the reference to x3.4-1968 and the author's name, however humorous they are.

Thanks.
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