Re: new DNS classes or anything else
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 05 July 2017 01:39 UTC
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In article <7DCA3DAF1993A2E66915D0DD@JcK-HP5.jck.com> you write: >Having enough of the world get aggravated enough at ICANN (or >some other entity of one's choice) to make general adoption of >an alternate root plausible is another matter and I don't think >we are there, at least yet. Here in the IETF we are so close to ICANN that we suffer from sample bias. To the extent the outside world is even aware of ICANN, they see that .com, .org, .net, and the large ccTLDs all work, registering in them is straightforward and not too expensive, and everything else is noise. One advantage of ICANN's turgid bureaucratic processes is that it makes it unlikely that they will do anything seriously destructive because it would be too hard. We all know how to run our own roots if that's what we want to do, but I continue to observe approximately none of us doing it. R's, John
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