Re: Call for Community Feedback: Guidance on Reporting Protocol Vulnerabilities

Eliot Lear <> Wed, 28 October 2020 17:00 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Community Feedback: Guidance on Reporting Protocol Vulnerabilities
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:00:48 +0100
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> On 28 Oct 2020, at 17:42, Pete Resnick <> wrote:
> The fact that you think invoking them makes you a "drama queen" means that you are part of the problem. And the idea that if you "don't have a dog in the fight" means that you shouldn't fully participate (including using the pushback mechanisms we have), you're not understanding what the IETF is supposed to be about: We have plenary meetings and Last Calls and the like so that groups can get cross-area and outside feedback. Failure to call out problems simply because you're not a primary player is exacerbating the cultural problem you claim to see.

This is where I think there may be some subtle issue, and I don’t want to make this all about Mike.  Many researchers have no equities in our organization.  They may not even have a fix available for the very problem that they have found.  We have red teams for a reason: it’s just a different muscle.  So they see their job as finished when they’ve reported.  And then they’re on to the next thing.  That’s their incentive model.  Mike just happens to care more than most, but we shouldn’t optimize around him.