Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Thu, 04 June 2015 16:33 UTC

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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 11:31:35 -0500
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"
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On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 10:06:23AM +0300, Yoav Nir wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Try "...the act of accessing public information required for routine
> > tasks can be privacy sensitive *on the user's side*…"
> 
> This is very true for Wikipedia, very true about news sites and many
> other sites. Not the IETF.

Internet RFCs tell the user much of what they need to implement
technology that might be deemed subversive or otherwise prohibited where
the user resides.

Also, the more useful "harmless" sites require HTTPS, the harder it is
for great firewalls to block it indiscriminately.  That might be a
politically-desirable effect to the IETF.