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Re: Post-Last-Call versions of documents and change logs: suggestion to the IESG

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 25 June 2022 22:27 UTC

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On 6/25/22 17:06, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> (Front posting to avoid a TL;DR.)
>
> It's already the case that if the AD considers that the changes after 
> Last Call and IESG review are substantive, a second Last Call can (and 
> should) be issued. Isn't that sufficient?

I don't think so.  What the ADs consider substantive and what the 
community considers substantive may be different.

Keith

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