Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Diversity of candidates was Re: NomCom 2020 Announcement of Selections

Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 27 January 2021 00:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Diversity of candidates was Re: NomCom 2020 Announcement of Selections
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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In line for clarity.
Joel

On 1/26/2021 7:50 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
> Speaking for myself, if one wants to get more X in service, where X is a skin color, a gender, and ethnic background, an industry background, or whatever, the best way is to nominate them and get people to speak to the nominating committee in support. The next best way is to serve on the nominating committee. If someone has not served on the committee, not nominated anyone, and not commented on any nomination, they’re just complaining.

One of the advantages of the public call for volunteers is that it 
allows folks to know about the opening before it is filled.  No, by 
itself it will not solve the problems.  But it enables many 
improvements.  I do know that there are some corner cases where ADs have 
had reasons for not making public calls.  But I think it is a good tool.

> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 04:53:38PM -0500, Joel Halpern wrote:
>>> There is one easy tool that I think we should use more in appointing WG
>>> chairs.
>>> ADs could publicly ask for volunteers.
>>
>> FWIW, I think we got about five responses to
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/saag/0mfa1LhPnox6MtzhG76N_kVTMsY/ .
>> Response rates for targetted calls to individual WG lists vary, though.
>> I agree that it's a helpful thing to do.
>>
>> -Ben
>>
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