Re: "why I quit writing internet standards"
Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> Tue, 15 April 2014 03:41 UTC
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Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, April 14, 2014 10:14:19 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Miles Fidelman >> >> <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>wrote: >>> Then again, the current DMARC debacle presents a cautionary tale of more >>> ad hoc approaches. >> DMARC's proponents tried to come to the IETF to form a working group so >> that it could undergo the rigors of standards development, and thus not be >> as "ad hoc" as you're describing. It was not accepted, on the basis that, >> in essence, the work was already done so there's nothing for the IETF to >> contribute. >> >> (If I've mischaracterized this, I'm happy to be corrected.) > If that's true, it's my impression it's true because the DMARC proponents > insisted any possible working group charter preclude meaningful changes to the > base specification because the work was already done. > > Personally, I was kind of OK with the current plan, although I thought it far > from ideal because I thought there was a clear understanding among the DMARC > proponents about what kinds of domains p=reject was appropriate for (not ones > with real users that commonly use use cases for which p=reject is > problematic). > > Now that that clearly isn't the case, I think the plan needs to be revisited. > It it was clearly understood about when p=reject is/is not appropriate - and someone (who's corporate name begins with Y) misapplied it - is this not akin to the propagation of corrupted routing data, and meriting a comparable response from all concerned? If done intentionally, with knowledge of the potential consequences - does this not tread into the grounds of a DDoS attack, and merit comparable response? And if the perpetrator does not act to roll back their action - does that not merit a strong response? I believe that there are laws against "knowingly caus[ing] the transmission of a program, information code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damages without authorization to a protected computer” (That's from the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.) And.. just for the heck of it.. I reported this to CERT. The impact on the systems I run has been far higher than, say, the Heartbeat vulnerability. Kind of interested to see what kind of response I get. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
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