Re: Registration of media type application/calendar+xml

Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@guppylake.com> Sat, 11 September 2010 12:42 UTC

Return-Path: <nsb@guppylake.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FD13A6814 for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 05:42:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.02
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Ed5diAZ1rZm for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 05:42:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from server1.netnutz.com (server1.netnutz.com [72.233.90.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D10C3A688F for <IETF@ietf.org>; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 05:42:09 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [209.117.47.253] (helo=[192.168.128.198]) by server1.netnutz.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <nsb@guppylake.com>) id 1OuPd8-0008Rd-Pa; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 08:56:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Registration of media type application/calendar+xml
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
From: Nathaniel Borenstein <nsb@guppylake.com>
In-Reply-To: <F51F0DFC-FC12-4F1A-A0E2-B5119FF446FA@dotat.at>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 08:42:13 -0400
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <30C719CB-BBD8-4B77-B341-F0CB28DF6531@guppylake.com>
References: <F842A373EE7E9C439CA07CCB01BBD1D0564C4899@TK5EX14MBXC138.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <341B449F-7DFE-4A40-84B0-D008658A08DF@cs.utk.edu> <B0EA09C87A5701A94419DB8F@socrates.local> <673F57D3-B2EC-4ABF-B450-EEEA3A4C185A@cs.utk.edu> <AANLkTinon97N3njcAV=FUj7-_ZJugazVCuaVbySbXr_L@mail.gmail.com> <193EC4D4-1B6C-4B14-ACD7-3237517566F5@cs.utk.edu> <F51F0DFC-FC12-4F1A-A0E2-B5119FF446FA@dotat.at>
To: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081)
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server1.netnutz.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - guppylake.com
Cc: Douglass Mike <douglm@rpi.edu>, Steven Lees <Steven.Lees@microsoft.com>, Cyrus Daboo <cyrus@daboo.name>, Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>, Alexey Melnikov <Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com>, "ietf-types@iana.org" <ietf-types@iana.org>, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>, "IETF@ietf.org" <IETF@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:42:11 -0000

Although I agree, and will stipulate, that:

	-- Multiple syntaxes are nearly always a bad idea

and

	-- iCal is badly broken (in fact, more broken than any of the cited articles indicate)

We don't live in the best of all possible worlds.  There is a demonstrable need to continue to support iCal, and to have an interoperable XML format, until something better comes along.  While I would enthusiastically support and work on such a better calendar format (I will resist the urge to add my list of additional problems with iCal to the discussion), I think we have to cope with current reality, in which there is a growing demand for XML calendar interoperation.

In other words:  iCal sucks but that's irrelevant.  Multiple syntaxes suck, but sometimes they're necessary.  We've created a great big turd, and now we need to periodically squirt perfume on it or it will only smell worse and worse over time.  -- Nathaniel



On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Tony Finch wrote:

> On 10 Sep 2010, at 06:09, Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> If you have a beef with the iCalendar data model, feel free to try to come up with a better one.
> 
> Funny you should say that :-)
> http://fanf.livejournal.com/104586.html
> 
> Tony.
> --
> f.anthony.n.finch  <dot@dotat.at>  http://dotat.at/
> _______________________________________________
> Ietf mailing list
> Ietf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf