Re: US Travel ban

Fred Baker <> Thu, 12 March 2020 06:43 UTC

Return-Path: <>
Received: from localhost (localhost []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72AB3A118D for <>; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:43:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.098
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key)
Received: from ([]) by localhost ( []) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p7hqeXiIaxDS for <>; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:43:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06DE03A118F for <>; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by with SMTP id n8so4792981wmc.4 for <>; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=WdBy7Ca6c5g1WIBGhpd7SJ8G56Epz2WfE0VVuiyK+5U=; b=P3vKn4zpC+nRv6yesEKnpDNqOaKNDpdBGxgLWHmvCX4L8uibN69uUu0wVD9+bNX7qs oBbt7Ry0pNT5HPusUkqTr679ojxxkHV2dGmjhzyLyrKIeTfmQwU2M6pS+mnaLP/RcWO/ 0XDLxEl1uO1PGBGTWAuS452dtvtzqxVJhOjjOnpniQW2cxG2pbzhFwWub+mSalkJ+B58 yHnGhp4+aM43Gm1KF1mRZ7ZcWWe1A21VbPbfE7dKVe7J6FSPvXejI5T2WrEk8IIslZDk OvE7i2gJXxqgCsl9npCnMqNVVYXNdSyUPmM6cUbP3JeuAxi4O+8wZYwF0yQWLjlfdKPt OWGQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=WdBy7Ca6c5g1WIBGhpd7SJ8G56Epz2WfE0VVuiyK+5U=; b=lu7bymGrN1W02nrXRnq9J1D88nN2xf9vCXdttNa3tlf5HWEK3DaUNO12MGEzMfms5e EVOQujxYMWvwTBWphKhDe4uBXEeAj2F3rrMB/iiYhSfpvlck6c42Ks6TDaFr/9oTmhGU x/FWjZt0IVnWVHjyCXUidv+t6f5/zKvmNEHUSuPNQF/5TfaQ/X/q5DxfbnvgjT0yx7an NrviGZCQk6P6DNx0aNpewg9i1aR6+rb3HY52T+Xu6Pj1wSd9gaqnrWifevDmbfHAkxq2 jqvTUwLi9IiKJONfhKqWQ28TBQF0f5fyhZGJJhFuTAWu821aDzHrxHHmn0lzDGjFND5+ 44ew==
X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ2ganANkg2iC9xB5QSo0SxMAPGll7QbV7/f9JQT830FMuzZziOf z8HLq/0shmgL8vxo8bZXbpizud6V
X-Google-Smtp-Source: =?utf-8?q?ADFU+vtifwC690Rs8n8v8s2BCkx9Du36RL4cYi9S7Hbs?= =?utf-8?q?IUEbFDJR1xtqPaq4pOVw+5q8iIF67LiEDg=3D=3D?=
X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c92e:: with SMTP id h14mr3145624wml.90.1583995399218; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:43:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ?IPv6:2600:8802:5900:13c4::1043? ([2600:8802:5900:13c4::1043]) by with ESMTPSA id 9sm11401086wmx.32.2020. (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:43:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fred Baker <>
Message-Id: <>
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_62E15DBA-3922-459E-971F-6E7F6FB2AA76"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.\))
Subject: Re: US Travel ban
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:43:14 -0700
In-Reply-To: <>
Cc: Phillip Hallam-Baker <>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <>
To: Toerless Eckert <>
References: <> <>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.
Archived-At: <>
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <>
List-Unsubscribe: <>, <>
List-Archive: <>
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>
List-Subscribe: <>, <>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 06:43:24 -0000

You might try canceling it. When I cancelled mine, United told me that they had a fee waiver in place for flights right now, and refunded the entire fee.

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Toerless Eckert <> wrote:
> Thanks for the info
> And travellers can probably get double whammy:
> Last november? (i think) i had something like 5 flights cancelled on me,
> one being a United FRA-SFO because probably of broken machine. This
> was a return leg, but even though it as non-refundable, my company
> get a refund for that return leg because United cancelled it.
> I am not 100% sure though if airlines can try to escape this refund
> if the airline doesn't want to and offer a rebooking. I think it may
> be a matter of rules of the ticket, aka: not sure what my company got
> is a MUST.
> The other refund would be due to european passenger rights. United
> offered me either the cash EUR 600 or 900 USD in United travel value.
> That money according to european law is the right of the
> traveller not the entity that has paid for the flight.
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:17:10PM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>> The US has just announced a travel ban from the EU. Travel from the UK is
>> not banned yet but expect that to change in the next few days as the
>> results come in from the expanded testing regime that was brought in a few
>> days back.
>> This will almost certainly mean a lot of IETF-ers are now entitled to
>> refunds as their US connections are cancelled. And most likely the airlines
>> will be getting some sort of government financial support like they did in
>> the wake of 9/11.
>> Canada has not yet followed suit but it is surely only a matter of days
>> before they do. For planning purposes I would assume that there is a
>> significant probability international travel is suspended entirely sometime
>> next week. So we can probably expect further refund opportunities.
> --
> ---